https://wiki.openttdcoop.org/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=User_talk%3AThraxian%2FProposals%2FVotingUser talk:Thraxian/Proposals/Voting - Revision history2026-04-28T21:19:55ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.25.2https://wiki.openttdcoop.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Thraxian/Proposals/Voting&diff=7543&oldid=prevThraxian: /* Responses to tneo's thoughts */2008-03-18T22:47:26Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Responses to tneo's thoughts</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Some nice ideas here, just some thoughts:</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Some nice ideas here, just some thoughts:</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* How long would you let the planning be open, or in which year would games start?  </div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* How long would you let the planning be open, or in which year would games start?  </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* I don't like the idea of a fixed game setting for "maglev" only, that limits the possible plans to be made and who determines that?</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* I don't like the idea of a fixed game setting for "maglev" only, that limits the possible plans to be made and who determines that?</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* What do you plan to include more people to add a plan, it might happen that people get discouraged by not being chosen and not submit a plan anymore. Recently only a handfull of people add a plan and often that are the same players. I can't believe that they are the only ones creative enough to build a plan.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* What do you plan to include more people to add a plan, it might happen that people get discouraged by not being chosen and not submit a plan anymore. Recently only a handfull of people add a plan and often that are the same players. I can't believe that they are the only ones creative enough to build a plan.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* I like the idea of voting with Borda count, that makes it more "honoust". You know can only have one vote and as soon as you see the list of voters grow, you might not add your vote, because the plan you pick is never going to catch up. --[[User:Tneo|Tneo]] 17:40, 17 March 2008 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"><div style="color:green"></ins></div></td></tr>
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</table>Thraxianhttps://wiki.openttdcoop.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Thraxian/Proposals/Voting&diff=7541&oldid=prevTneo: thoughts about voting proposal2008-03-17T17:40:51Z<p>thoughts about voting proposal</p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>Some nice ideas here, just some thoughts:<br />
* How long would you let the planning be open, or in which year would games start? <br />
* I don't like the idea of a fixed game setting for "maglev" only, that limits the possible plans to be made and who determines that?<br />
* What do you plan to include more people to add a plan, it might happen that people get discouraged by not being chosen and not submit a plan anymore. Recently only a handfull of people add a plan and often that are the same players. I can't believe that they are the only ones creative enough to build a plan.<br />
* Will voting not be allowed until a certain year, so that voting is open after gameyear 1970?<br />
* I like the idea of voting with Borda count, that makes it more "honoust". You know can only have one vote and as soon as you see the list of voters grow, you might not add your vote, because the plan you pick is never going to catch up. --[[User:Tneo|Tneo]] 17:40, 17 March 2008 (UTC)</div>Tneo